PIAGET Altiplano Saga: Part 1 - The World is Not Thin Enough - Manual 9P movement

Apr 29, 2010,13:55 PM
 

PIAGET Altiplano Saga: Part 1  - The World is Not Thin Enough  - Manual 9P movement
By Melvyn Teillol-Foo
 
 
The Piaget 9P caliber was 20.5mm x 2.00mm and was introduced in 1957 as one of the world's thinnest manual wind movements; it ran at 19,800 A/h frequency with 89 components.  

 

 



 
 

 


   

 



 
   
Founding fathers: George E. Piaget and family

In 1911, the founder's third son, Timothée Piaget (1885 – 1975), takes over management of the business that has become a partnership company and Piaget begins to supply the top Swiss brands. Through the 1920s and 1930s, Piaget manufactures ultra-thin, high quality movements.  In 1943, Gérald & Valentin, grandsons of the founder, and their father Timothée, registered the Piaget trademark and incorporated a new firm with a very long name – 'SA Ancienne Fabrique Georges Piaget & Cie., La Côte-aux-Fées' . The company began making watches signed and sold as Piaget watches.

 

 



 
   
Piaget Manufacture, La Côte-aux-Fées

 



 
 

In 1945, Gérald Piaget became Chairman and Managing Director of the business and he travelled widely as the public face of Piaget. Valentin Piaget became Deputy Director and in charge of technical development and production at the Manufacture. Together, they developed Piaget expertise and fame for extra-plat (flat) movements, breaking one world record after another.

 

 



 
 
9P



 



 
   
9P
36 hours power reserve
Frequency: 19'800 vph
Number of jewels: 18
Ø: 20.5mm
Thickness: 2mm
Functions: hour-minute
Vertical Côtes de Genève decoration.

 

 


   



 
 
PIAGET Before 1957





 
 
  After 1957

Original Model 9P later named Altiplano.

 





 
 
  PIAGET Before 1957





 
   
  After 1957  Ultra-thin 9P





 
   
  Ultra-thin 9P

 



 
   
Ultra-thin 9P

 



 
   
Ultra-thin 9P Ruby Dial

 



 
   

  

Changing Ladies' View of Time

The effect of the new thin caliber was immediately evident in the number of models made possible and also in the sales figures. This was probably Piaget's 'moment in time' when they changed from a brand that only connoisseurs were aware of to the wider public notice. The slim movement could be used in ladies' watches but its 20.5mm diameter allowed the designers to use wider dials; with both aesthetic and practical repercussions.

 

Young ladies liked the large bold shapes and colours and older women could read the time without putting on their reading glasses. A former Piaget executive described it such: "With a Piaget watch on their wrists, they told me, looking at their watches gave them the pleasure of a simple, elegant gesture, accomplished with the nonchalance of ignoring their age...."

 

The Rock & Roll years rolled into the Swinging Sixties and fashion reflected libertine attitudes, bigger shapes, bold colours and greater affluence.

 

 



 
 

 



 
   




 
 
 

 




 
 

 

 

 

 

The Boys were Not Forgotten

 



   



 
   

1967 Maurice Chevalier 9P; bracelet matching dial




 
   
Ultra-thin 9P


   

9P2 – a revised caliber



 
 

 



 
   

 

The 9P2 is an improvement of the 9P. The 9P2 is a 20.5mm x 2.15mm movement also running at 19,800 A/h frequency but with only 86 components.

 

The extra 0.15mm thickness was sufficient to completely guarantee robustness even though the original 9P already astonished people with it's almost unbelievable reliability for such a slim movement. The extra thickness is because the balance spring is glued to the stud and the collet is a greiner-type that cannot be removed. There is also a micro-metric screw to adjust the rate.

 

 

Recent 9P re-editions   

 



 
      

The limited edition to celebrate the 120th Anniversary of the brand in 1994 contained a specially engraved 9P movement.

 



 
  
 
 

 



 
   
2007 Piaget Altiplano Enamel limited edition

Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the 9P, a number are equipped with the 9P2 without special engraving.

 

 

 

The 'PIAGET Altiplano Saga' series continues next month with Part 2........

 

PIAGET Altiplano Saga series:


Part 1 - The World is Not Thin Enough – Manual 9P movement:
piaget.watchprosite.com   


Part 2  – GoldenEye – Automatic 12P movement:
piaget.watchprosite.com


Part 3 – For Your Eyes Only – Enamel Altiplanos:
piaget.watchprosite.com


Part 4 – From La Côte-aux-Fées, With Love – Diamonds Are Forever (Exceptional Altiplanos):
piaget.watchprosite.com


Part 5 – The Living Daylights – Skeleton Altiplanos:
piaget.watchprosite.com


Part 6  – Never Say Never Thin Again – Automatic 1200P/1208P movements
piaget.watchprosite.com


Part 7  – Quantum of Solace – Special Altiplanos and Updates
piaget.watchprosite.com

 

 

Regards,

MTF

 
This message has been edited by MTF on 2013-09-16 05:27:52

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Excellent post and great reading

 
 By: respo : April 29th, 2010-13:58
Thank you. I am glad to be learning about the Piaget ultra thins. I am looking forward to part 2... respo

Me too ! There are 6 more parts.........

 
 By: MTF : May 1st, 2010-08:36
respo, I'm looking forward to Part 2 as well! Seriously, PIAGET Altiplano Saga is a 7-part series! (SEVEN....count 'em) that will be written by Daos or Me or Anybody we can rope in..... Sharpening my pencil, MTF

Thanks MTF....

 
 By: DRMW : April 29th, 2010-14:37
The Altiplano with the mesh dial matching the bracelet is cool. Thanks for this very informative post and history on PIAGET! -MW

Piaget has a bunch of matching

 
 By: MTF : May 1st, 2010-08:39
dial to bracelet models in their past. We may post the photos in a later part of the Altiplano Saga. Maybe, they would re-issue the concept in future models......if only this global recession would lift. Regards, MTF

Very interesting, thanks.

 
 By: VMM : April 29th, 2010-16:14
The new automatic ultra thin caliber from Piaget was one of my favorite news at the SIHH. A great achievement and a beautiful creation. Stunning. Vte

Great write up...I look forward to Part 2...

 
 By: Dino944 : April 30th, 2010-11:09
I love the first two square watches in your article, the gold and blue is so regal!!! And the stone dial (which looks like a BMW insignia is very cool). Great write up, I can't wait to read part 2. Best regards, Dino

Do you like to be square?

 
 By: MTF : May 1st, 2010-08:55
dino, What do you think of square watches as a comeback fashion? It is surprising to me that the early Altiplanos were square....."as flat a s a piece of paper" could be the theme. Not many brands have elegant square mechanical watches in their portfolio.... 

Funny that you ask . . .

 
 By: Dr No : May 1st, 2010-14:24
. . . because I was a hair's breadth away from purchasing a vintage white gold Omega dress watch in the form of a square with angled corners last weekend. It was fitted with the exquisite cal 302 shaped movement, and in excellent original condition. Ultim... 

I love square and rectangular watches...

 
 By: Dino944 : May 2nd, 2010-06:35
Hi MTF, After many years of only owning round watches (Rolex sport models), I decided in 2002 I wanted to get a real dress watch. This was shortly after buying my Wife a Cartier Tank Francais. She became a watch snob, and will not even consider a quartz w...  

Very interesting...

 
 By: pingtsai : April 30th, 2010-11:26
....that Piaget has been able to establish such a renowned reputation in the area of ultra-thin mechanical watches. I'm curious as to whether you have any information on how they are able to achieve these ultra-thin movements? From watching the video on t... 

It must be a philosophy thing....

 
 By: MTF : May 1st, 2010-09:08
Ping, In the old days, without CNC milling machines, making extra flat mechanical movements was a challenge. The fine tolerances were not taken on lightly by the watchmakers. Reliability was a problem because the components jammed or the thin plates affor... 

Thanks for the insight...

 
 By: pingtsai : May 1st, 2010-09:33
Melvyn, I get it now. They made it their area of expertise to concentrate on, and others focus on different areas. It's very interesting to me because it seems that thin watches are a niche market, at a time when more heft and weight on the wrist is often... 

The ultra thin manual 9P movement

 
 By: ED209 : May 1st, 2010-01:39
Thanks MTF for this series on the Piaget Altiplano and the 9P movement. Looking forward to part 2. Regards, ED-209

Something I never mentioned before...

 
 By: MTF : May 1st, 2010-09:20
Stefan, When 'arthur aka wmclarenf1' was looking for watches made after 1957 for family members that matches their birth year, I did not suggest Piaget watches with 9P movements afer 1957 or12P movements after 1960. This was because vintage Piagets are no... 

LOL MTF

 
 By: ArthurSG : May 2nd, 2010-00:37
Thanks for the pointer here.. Actually Piaget would be a great brand for my "wu ling" project... JLC MUT has made it to the shortlist. I have cehcked with JLC who was very gracious to endulge me and they have confirmed reversos do not meet my criteria but... 

So do all these watches have solid casebacks?

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : May 1st, 2010-07:10
and not display backs to preserve the case's thinness? Cheers, Anthony

Not even this one....

 
 By: MTF : May 1st, 2010-09:26
Anthony, Of course, preserving flatness is one of the reasons to have solid casebacks, but Piaget is not always blindly pursuing flatness. They decided to increase by 0.15mm from the 9P to the 9P2 movement to increase stability. What is surprising is that...  

Hopefully Piaget will not be too modest in future models

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : May 1st, 2010-09:30
A beautifully engraved movement such as the one you posted shouldn't be enclosed in a solid caseback IMO! Cheers, Anthony

Superb work, MTF.

 
 By: amanico : May 1st, 2010-10:18
A very interesting read and journey through Time. These Ultra Thin movements are candy for the eyes. Thanks for the information, and for my personal education, as I learnt a lot, here. Best, Nicolas

I'm learnng too

 
 By: MTF : May 1st, 2010-10:36
Nicholas, I'm learning too with each research before each article. It seems Piaget has many secrets.....well maybe not like State secrets bu they did not seem to have put their patrimony on the high altar like some 'Other' brands! I guess that God's altar... 

Thank you Melvyn

 
 By: Dje : May 1st, 2010-14:21
Hi, I've long dreamed myself of a platinum Piaget "Gouverneur" with a Piager 9P! These calibres are great, and I hope to see the following part on the 430P! Cheers Dje

And so you shall.......

 
 By: MTF : May 1st, 2010-19:30
For dje: Platinum Governeur No 430P write-up as part 2 of the Piaget Altiplano Saga will be about the 12P movement........ Regards, MTF...  

Were you seduced by the relatively plain

 
 By: MTF : May 1st, 2010-19:44
outside or the unseen movement inside? Would you have been satisfied with the outside if you KNEW the engraved movement was inside? That is the fascination of Piaget fans' psyche that I am trying to tease out. Regards, MTF

I would have been happy with just the simple layout on the outside

 
 By: mkt33 : May 4th, 2010-16:50
I like how the PR indication is displayed and the contrasting color used. The engraved movement would have been a cool bonus. Cheers, Mike

Yes. Piaget informs me that...

 
 By: dxboon : May 26th, 2011-00:30
...early versions of the 9P only had 17 jewels. Cheers, Daos

Thanks a lot Melvin for this great post.

 
 By: foversta : May 2nd, 2010-10:05
I love this one which is totally unknown to me: Don't hesitate to post more about this watch ! Thanks a lot ! Fr.Xavier...  

Despite the time since it was first brought into being, the

 
 By: 219 : May 3rd, 2010-02:21
movement stands out as a work of art. Even now, other watch brands use this movement, outside of Piaget, and it is testimony to Piaget's ability and watchmaking skill that such a movement survives the passage of time! Great story and thanks. Andrew H

Thanks MTF. This history is significant and should be better recognised

 
 By: SJX : May 3rd, 2010-08:01
Good to see you talking about it. - SJX

Only by dragging out Piaget

 
 By: MTF : May 4th, 2010-00:52
Thanks SJX. Teasing out the story from Piaget took some time. Many of their private collection pieces were stranded in Shanghai for an exhibition and we had to wait for the photoshoot.. Regards, MTF

The range of styles utilizing the 9P movement...

 
 By: dxboon : May 3rd, 2010-08:07
...are astonishing. Piaget delivers such a range of timepieces; some sober and serious, others flirtatious and full of color. I do love seeing the photos from Piaget's Private Collection. The company has a history of design and mechanics of which to be ve... 

I LOVE those vintage pieces; too bad more "collectors" and enthusiasts don't understand

 
 By: ThomasM : May 3rd, 2010-12:04
and know the real history. But then, that's what we're here for...

shhhh Don't talk up the prices...

 
 By: MTF : May 4th, 2010-00:55
Thomas, I'm looking for some vintage pieces. Pease don't talk up the prices! Actually, its too late. Piaget vintage prices hae been rising and even more so since I started reading Piaget PuristSPro Forum . I think in times of recession, our tastes return ...